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โธ 2mo ago
Is there an accepted method or convention for using multiple devices with Reticulum?
Given that an Identity is portable, but different devices may be online at different
times, it seems it would be ineffectual to try using the same one across all spaces. At
present, I'm using the same identity on my mobile apps (same device) and a separate
identity in a containerized MeshChatX instance I can access. Just trying to get a read on
what solutions people are using to stay in touch effectively.
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โธ 2mo ago
That is being worked on. Currently the best suggestion I have is to just make a separate
identity per-device.
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โธ 2mo ago
Got it, glad I'm at least not missing some obvious solution.
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โธ 2mo ago
In the app I'm working on I set up a protocol for handling this and tbh was pretty happy
with where it landed. My question here is, "Is the GROUP protocol progress near usable?"
If so I can possibly lean into that (and help contribute to it where possible), happy to
retire mine. But if not I'll continue as I were.
I mean no pressure whatsoever in asking this, this is not a demand or request for urgency
whatsoever. Just looking for an honest status report, basically
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โธ 11d ago
I was doing some experimentation with this several months ago. As it is right now, you
can have multiple LXMF clients on the same network using the same identity. While it's
hard to predict which one will receive incoming messages, nothing is really broken in
doing so.
It could be possible to support this kind of thing without the group protocol if each
client had a separate device identity, and the user establishes a relationship between
all of their clients so that messages can be synchronized no matter who receives the
first one. Message sync shouldn't even use much bandwidth on the wider network, since
multiple clients for the same user are likely to be geographically local (PC, phone,
etc.) and maybe even on the same LAN.
This wasn't well received on the old Matrix server so I kind of gave up on the idea.
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โธ 11d ago
I believe multiple device and group chat support ideally need Reticulum multicast support
first
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โธ 9d ago
Anonymous wrote:
> I believe multiple device and group chat support ideally need Reticulum multicast
support first
Is that just a belief or is there some reasoning behind it? I don't see any reason why
this requires multicast.
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โธ 8d ago
ARF wrote:
> Anonymous wrote:
> > I believe multiple device and group chat support ideally need Reticulum multicast
support first
>
> Is that just a belief or is there some reasoning behind it? I don't see any reason
why this requires multicast.
LXMF and Reticulum itself (see the Zen of Reticulum in the manual) try to be
decentralised and transporting the same message to multiple devices would currently
either require sending a packet per device (inefficient without multicast) or polling a
server (against the zen)
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โธ 8d ago
Honestly, even multicast/group messaging doesn't solve this. If we want to have a LXMF
destination identify a user and not a specific device of theirs and not rely on a
centralized server, those devices will still need to communicate between themselves and
synchronize accordingly.
For example, if your laptop is powered off when your phone receives a message, even if
you're a multicast "group" destination, that laptop is not going to know about the
message(s) received by your phone while it was powered off. The next time you go to use
it, it will have an outdated state of all of your conversations that will never resolve.
I think worrying about sending a few packets between devices to handle sync is silly.
LXST for voice calls uses far more bandwidth than synchronizing LXMF text messages would,
and we have enough bandwidth for that.
I'm not suggesting a server exist, nor anyone polls one.
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โธ 7d ago
I have a solution I'm working on using RFed. RFed TL;DR: LXMF Propagation nodes but for
other things
It'll work like this:
โข register a phantom "Distro" address with RFed
โข associate any number of device addresses with that Distro address
โข distribute the public and private credentials of the Distro address to all of the
devices
โข message gets "sent" to Distro address and but goes to propagation
โข RFed (is itself a propagation node) does the fanout by wrapping messages sent to the
Distro address in packets addressed to each client address
Problem solved. No centralized servers involved. Just the RFed node that you connect to.
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โ INFO โ Identify to this node to post. How?
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